A post about Kendrick Lamars halftime performance and black beauty in r/optimistsunite devolves into arguments about the Trans-Atlantic slave trade and racism
Source: https://www.reddit.com/r/OptimistsUnite/comments/1ilxtl7/kendrick_confused_maga_with_black_beauty
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No word about the fact african tribes enslaved and sold Africans to the white people?
Talk about a bad faith argument. What's your point? (OP)
That it's not about race, because black people started the whole thing by capturing their black enemies and selling them.
I mean, if that's our justification to help you sleep at night, then do you. I came to celebrate blackness. Not sure why you here to talk about how your ancestors were slaves traders. (OP)
"celebrate blackness" ...why? How does being black influence the kind of person you are?
Europeans slaughtered other Europeans throughout their history. Those facts add nothing to this topic.
It rebukes the idea that slavery was a racist practice. It had nothing to do with race or ethnicity.
So the view that black slaves were 'animals' or 'subhuman', human chattel to be bought and sold like property, wasn't a racist endeavour?
Quite literally every race was a slave at one point or another. But y'all ignore that part
No race has done it like yall white people though. Whites came to america, killed native americans who were here first then claimed the land as “their own”. Helped kidnap blacks from africa to use them as their own personal workforce. Treated slaves HORRIBLE and in some cases even tortured them. Whites also tried to enforce their religious beliefs and customs on multiple cultures they deemed “inferior” to them like the french trying to colonize the vietnamese who never asked for it. Yall whites like to ignore that part though🤷🏽♂️
It kills me how many people don't know this. White people didn't go raiding African villages. Africans raided other African villages and then sold them to white people...really any people that would buy them. And no one actually cares about slavery. not to the extent it doesn't benefit them otherwise they wouldn't be rocking their slave made shien and temu clothes and talking trash on their iphones. China uses the fuck out of some slaves and no one says shit about it.
“They were selling them, so it wasn’t wrong for Americans to buy them” is certainly a choice.
No that's not what I'm saying. What I'm saying is that everyone blames the white people. yeah they fucked up and did wrong. But no one ever says shit about the other black people who did the actual pillaging and capture. Slavery was a common practice back then. Was it right? Hell no. Is it one specific race's fault. Also no. It wasn't just the Americans everyone was in on it the whole world was in on it.
The US fought a literal civil war because part of the country demanded that they be allowed to continue owning other human beings as property in perpetuity. “It’s not just white people’s fault” is suuuuch a facile and meaningless distinction to attempt to draw.
I voted for Trump...and that half time show. WAS FIRE! I regularly listen to Kendrick.
Bruh
What? Can't like Kendrick and Trump. Trump pardoned Kodak Black. Get outta here.
I mean... You still a Trump supporter? Trump only pardons people so they owe him a favor and to pretend he cares about black people in this case.
Still with this cop out. Supporting and enriching the very group they are supposedly wanting to oppress just to seem like they care? At what point does all the good they do supposedly pretending just make them good?
He’s not enriching a whole group by pardoning Kodak Black. He’s enriching a singular, very wealthy man, who’s a horrible influence for young black kids
This post has to be a joke. The show was garbage.
Your right-wing brain rot is showing. It was dope af.
Haha not even right wing! 😂The show was garbage and most people I know thought the same thing. And if he was trying to make a statement, no one cared lol.
Lol, sure you're not. Your entire timeline is right-wing apologism and BoTh SiDeS normalization, complaining about liberal mods, etc. Stop lying about your ideology. We can literally all see what you post.
Haha I’m a moderate Democrat. You’re right, I’m not an identified leftist liberal. Hopefully you know the difference.
Oh man, what a cowardly retreat. i'M a MoDeRaTe DeMoCrAt
Americans try not to make everything about race challenge = impossible
Learn US history and you’ll realize why
You should try learning other regional history. Check out Ottomans and Mongolians history of conquest and imperialism
Lol, "the existence of other violence means that racial violence is moot" is certainly one hill to die upon.
That's not what I said try again
It's literally what you said. Don't pussy out now, man, you had an all-time what-about-ism brewing! Keep going!
God, I wasn’t even aware of just how racist the right wing retorts got until I decided to sort this thread by controversial.
They even use the same textbook response. And that response is so trashy as well, like how does it justify slavery if someone else captured people?? They still bought them by tens of thousands and brought them to the land of "freedom".
It doesn't justify it, but OP is rewriting history to suit a narrative. Slavery was the model of the entire world. It was heinous, and that was no exception in the U.S. We bought slaves. Africa sold slaves. The difference is that the U.S is one of the only places where millions died to abolish it in the bloodiest U.S conflict ever.
I'm actually laughing right now, ahaha. Thanks for the joke. Your bloodiest US conflict is a speck of dust on what africans has endured. Millions died to abolish it? USA is the only country where they needed war to change it. Continue living in your US bubble, little man. One day it will burst and you will have nothing left.
Victim Olympics are always fun to watch
Pretzel logic. Move along (OP)
You deny that your black ancestors rounded up and sold each other to the highest bidder, some of which were white Americans? Don't forget to mention who your ancestors also were, since you love to use words like "we" and "us" when you refer to slaves who died many years before you existed. Morality has nothing to do with race. Only racists believe that.
Where did I deny that some black people sold slaves? I guess you are sayign so to absolve your ancestors. But they are both wrong. You seem to think that slavery is a thing of the past and so I should not refer to it. But the fact that it makes you so uncomfrtable to see it that you feel teh need to come and post means that it is a sore point. No one called you, yet you felt guilty enough to come and defend your ancestors. Wow. (OP)
What even is this sub anymore?
Yet another anti trump left wing echo chamber for deluded left wingers to console and comfort each other.
The conservative sub literally bans people for not agreeing with them and has the entire thing locked down unless youre right wing, the projection is insane. Your side is the one that deluded themselves, left wingers tend to actually want to hear the other side.
That's incorrect. There was literally a recent thread that invited and encouraged people on the other argument to begin debates and provoke discussions and it was heavily upvoted and most of the top comments were people praising everyone left and right on being civil. Its what I thought r/politics was going to be. I was severely disappointed.
What the hell are you talking about mate lol One thread that’s exactly my point, no other huge political subreddit has a rule where the mods LITERALLY SCOPE YOUR USER HISTORY before allowing you to even comment even the most far left subs I’ve been in allows right wingers to contribute, for the side that’s meant to represent American freedom and tough skin, They sure are sensitive to a simple disagreement and are quick to ban people like communist china.